Thursday, November 13th, 2008
What would you do?

Say you have a smart attractive 15 year old daughter....has a great group of friends, you like her best friend, you like her boyfriend. Basically a good kid.

The she brings home her progress report and it looks like this:

98 Health
98 Adv. English II
94 World History
100 Photography
100 Newspaper
83 Adv. Algebra II
98 Choir
69 Human A & P

What would you do? I am open to all suggestions

Tags:  kids
32 Comments
lgrant
1) What is A&P?
LGrant   Thursday, November 13, 2008
reera
2) Does she have any reasons that this grade is so low? A&P is mostly memorization and some people just hate it. Is one of her friends doing great in the same class? Could they study together, I found in nursing school that that helped. If she was screwing up all her classes than I would think some real restrictions might be appropriate but it seems like with it just being this one class that the two of you could come up with a plan to bring up the grade. I guess more information is needed. I don't envy you, I know you are worried and its so hard making the right decisions with kids this age.
dannie   Thursday, November 13, 2008
reera
3) Linda, A & P anatomy and physiology
dannie   Thursday, November 13, 2008
4) wow! what fabulous grades! you should be so proud! Don't worry - it could be that she simply didn't do well on one exam and they haven't had many grades taken yet this quarter. The 2nd quarter is the shortest of them all but she will have plenty of time to bring it back up. Talk to the teacher and see if she / he gives opportunities for extra credit or make- up work.
trippygo ightly   Thursday, November 13, 2008
lgrant
5) Thanks, Dannie. Guess I have been out of school too long to know that one. :) I agree the rest of the grades are great and it might be a weak area that needs shored up but otherwise looks pretty good.
LGrant   Thursday, November 13, 2008
dennydeaton
6) I would just recommend that she not go into medicine. Kidding, I don't think I'd do much of anything except encourage her to work harder in that class. She's obviously a hard worker and everyone is better at one thing than another. You can't be good at everything, that's what I am trying to say.
Denny Deaton   Thursday, November 13, 2008
nheinzel
7) As a longtime teacher of teenagers, I would talk to her and see if she knows why that grade is lower than the others. I would also talk to the teacher if you feel the need. Denny is so right; hardly anyone excels in everything. I know my grades in Human A & P would definitely be lower than the others! And I would be sure to praise her for all the other grades and not just zero in on the lowest! That's a super report and you obviously have a very gifted student there. And from an old school newspaper advisor, I really love her interest in newspaper! Wish I could have had her on one of my staffs!
!   Thursday, November 13, 2008
igna83
8) I'm with Denny - much of the science field would not be a good career move. And I wouldn't sweat it too much. I mean, I was an Honors Student, who failed History of Western Civilization TWICE before passing it the third time. And yes, I still earned my BA -- Cum Laude!!
Angi   Thursday, November 13, 2008
mrsshoo
9) I'm with trippy and Nancy. Ask her and ask the teacher, but make sure you praise her for the other grades. You'd be surprised at how many parents would overlook the A's to get on their children about the D (I'm assuming 69 is a D) and how hurtful that is to the kids. The teacher should be able to explain the grade, as well as offer suggestions for improvement.
Sarah S.   Friday, November 14, 2008
10) the reason for the F in A&P is due to a missed assignment...she was to busy with boyfriend to do assignment...
boz   Friday, November 14, 2008
carriepassante
11) Meg,
I'm not there yet with kids and report cards so I'm not in your shoes... but... from my standpoint, I'd be proud. Very proud. It is a progress report, right and not a final report? If that is the case, I'd sit down with her and talk about what she needs to do to bring the grade up but in the same breath, I'd remind her what a fabulous job she has been doing in her other classes.

You are a great mom, Meg!
Carrie   Friday, November 14, 2008
reera
12) If that's the case I would ask her what she thought appropriate corrective action would be. She's a bright kid and no doubt realizes she has screwed up. Hopefully, this is just a small lesson "in consequences for actions, "or in this case action not taken. This is an important lesson, when she gets to college there will be no "progress" reports, it will all be on her to take the initiative and set priorities.Maybe letting her read this blog will help. Good Luck!
dannie   Friday, November 14, 2008
soundchick
13) I had trouble in the same type of class in high school and got A's and B's in everything else. I also failed Chemistry. Math and Science definitely not my specialties so that's why there's no M.D. after my name! The most important thing to find out is the reason for the grade. If Boz is correct and it was maybe just a careless move, oversight or laziness then you should probably address that to let her know it's not acceptable. In my case, I was just Math and Science "stupid" and struggled all through high school with any of those classes. If that's her situation, then maybe some extra help from a tutor would be beneficial.
soundchick   Friday, November 14, 2008
justmeg
14) Thanks everyone! I do understand that noone can excel at everything - Oh and Sarah - a 69 in Mississippi is an F - that is what floored me - she has NEVER brought home an F on a progress report or report card. I can forgive the C in Algebra II - it is an advanced class and I sucked at Algebra so I am proud of her for managing a C - I guess my problem is I know she is far from "average" and is capable of making the grade but she is at an age when she knows everything and I know nothing.

Dannie - I have tried to explain to her that A & P is mainly memorization and offered to work with her on it - but - she is 15 and she knows so much more about life then I do.

6 A's is nothing to sneeze about. I am very proud od her for that and she knows it - but the F kinda ruined my excitement about the others. I hope she can pull it up to at least a C before report cards.
justmeg   Friday, November 14, 2008
RickMonday
15) meg,

My 15 year old daughter has an attitude also. Every time I try to discipline her, my wife lets her off the hook.

Obviously she is bright enough based on her other grades to not get an F. Thus, it was lack of effort. Lack of effort should never be tolerated, and I would punish her somehow. You could ground her, cut off time from her boyfriend, etc until the grade improves. I would also go talk to her teacher to find out what the real problem is. Maybe she just messed up on one test.
RickMonday   Friday, November 14, 2008
Randale
16) I also have a 15 year old Boy. His grades were similar. Math was a little lower than the others but still a C. His band grade was a 79, IN Band. How do you get a 79 in band? Apparently, it was the same issue. He had an assignment that he didn't do and therefore got a zero. We talked about it and he said he didn't realize that it would count off so much. I think that he learned his lesson. So maybe your daughter will learn a lesson from this, and will never miss an assignment again. I don't think that my son will.
Randale   Friday, November 14, 2008
nheinzel
17) If low grade was because she was fooling around with boy friend then I think you need to insist that the grade be improved by report card time or there will be consequences and spell them out now so she'll know. You have to stay strong and in charge. Teenagers will hate that now but thank you for it later. Good luck!
!   Friday, November 14, 2008
JimTheLimey
18) haha, a 69 in anatomy.... thats hilarious.

either way, I was a C student in school, I grew up with my mum and she didnt do great at school so she was pleased as long as i was doing my best. but she did laugh when i got a 'E' in my sports class for coming like 110 out of 120 in the cross country run. even she didnt care about that.
JimTheLimey   Friday, November 14, 2008
justmeg
19) Well - I can say this - there will be no more 2 hours on the phone every night - that just got cut off - she needs to be studying and showing that she can be responsible.

Gotta love parental controls on the cell phone - I can control when and who she can talk to and text with. It is great!

On a good note tho - she did ask me for a planner today - you know - a calendar to keep track of stuff. So maybe some part of our talk last night sank in.
justmeg   Friday, November 14, 2008
JimTheLimey
20) ok. in no way am i telling you about being a parent, because i am not one (yet) so i dont know anything about raising a child (except that i was 15yrs old 13 years ago), but if your daughter is a good kid and has grades that are pretty outstanding, then i wouldnt get too strict...

she just needs to focus more on that area than she is, or figure out what she isnt understanding.

your kid is way smarter than i ever was. Kudos for that.

also, does nobody see the joke about getting a 69 in anatomy??

also, it took me almost 10 minutes to write that message in such a way that it wouldnt offend or cause an argument, because thats not what im looking for. im just trying to offer another view. :D
JimTheLimey   Friday, November 14, 2008
RickMonday
21) I will have to respectfully disagree with Jim. If the kid has the God given brains and ability, which based on her other grades, she does. Then there is really no excuse for an F.

I think you really need to lay down the law. I was in a similar situation in high school as your daughter. I brought home a grade that was below my normal grade and got into some serious trouble from my parents. Although the grade I brought home was a good grade, a B, both my parents and I knew that I didnt try hard enough. And to me this is what it is all about. Effort.
RickMonday   Friday, November 14, 2008
JimTheLimey
22) and im not saying forget it..... dont sweep it under the rug or anything.... but just dont form a lynching party and start punishing her. she obviously shows up and does well....
JimTheLimey   Friday, November 14, 2008
soundchick
23) Meg, it sounds like you're already taking charge of the situation. Cutting off the phone time sounds good and until she can prove that the grade has improved, don't give it back to her. Maybe take some other privilege away too. TV? Internet time? I don't know what she is into.
soundchick   Friday, November 14, 2008
justmeg
24) JimtheLimey - I got your joke - I ignored it - LOL

RickMonday - that is what I mean - it is about the fact that she will put forth the effort in classes she likes but decides she doesn't like this class and just does not try

soundchick - I wish there was something else I could take away - but she rarely watched TV - loves to read (I can't exactly take away books). The only other thing left is the laptop - and I had already decided to cut off the wireless in the house for the next two weeks so that she can't get on the internet - LOL So phone limit and no internet - she should have plenty of time to study now.
justmeg   Friday, November 14, 2008
Scott
25) justmeg...

1. Do you know for a fact that she is not putting effort into the class? Is that what she told you or what the teacher told you?

2. Is punishing her in such a way getting the message you want across, or is it so that you feel you're more in control of the situation? All the teenagers I know get punished and dwell on the cause and the effect, but have no real drive or information to help prevent it from happening again. Especially if she is having real, honest to god TROUBLE in the class, a punishment is like seeing a drowning man and, instead of figuring out how to save him, scolding him for getting in that situation in the first place. By taking away privileges, you've made studying a punishment unto itself. I remember always doing worst when I felt like I was being forced to study...heck, it's part of the reason why study halls are useless periods of time.

3. The As need to be commended, at least, if not rewarded. Studies say that for every criticism, you need to match with at least three bits of praise. Sounds "self helpish", but it's true.

4. I don't agree with anyone that says that, based on one progress report, she should close all doors related to medicine.
Scott   Friday, November 14, 2008
mrsshoo
26) Oh. F. Not so good. (Not that a D is good at all.) Good job taking control of the situation, justmeg. You knew what to do. Like Carrie said, it's clear you're a great mom!! Hope the grade improves.

RickMonday, you sound like a great dad, but I'm so glad I wasn't your teenager! I think I would've been in so much trouble. Permanent house arrest.
Sarah S.   Friday, November 14, 2008
justmeg
27) Scott - when questioned last night about this -

her response" I forgot to turn in a project - I got it 1/2 done and got a 55 on it

My response: Jess - how do you forget to turn in a project

Her response: She assigned it over the weekend

ok - a little background - her boyfriend (her first) comes over and hangs out on Friday nights - they either walk to the movies or watch a movie on TV. He also comes over on Satuday afternoon and they either walk to the mall or hangout at the house - help me cook dinner - eat and then watch TV until 9:00 when he goes home.
On Sundays - she goes to church with him in the morning and then with her BFF from 4:00 p.m. until 8:30 p.m.

In my mind - she blew the project off to hang out with the boyfriend because she knew she would not have time to do it on Sunday with church.
justmeg   Friday, November 14, 2008
mrsshoo
28) Oh, geez. I love teenagers. I admire anyone with enough patience to parent one.
Sarah S.   Friday, November 14, 2008
reera
29) Well, let us know how this turns out.
dannie   Friday, November 14, 2008
Lionheart
30) another thought is maybe she's looking for attention? I'm pretty sure she could excell in the class and likely she will but maybe she's just seeing what would happen if she stepped out of line? She got halfway through the assignment and decided to just turn it in half done. That was a decision.

At the risk of sounding like a headcase, I did a bit of testing in high school, seeing what would get a rise out of my parents. My brother was super gifted and I did well too, but had to work for it. So I said, screw it, what if I don't? I shaped up super quick once I realized that rather than flip out my parents were heartily disappointed. So I don't know how you feel about the guilt card but it sure work on me. ;-)

Best of luck! What a blessing that on the whole you and your daughter get along so well.
Lionheart   Friday, November 14, 2008
31) Argh. The project counted as three test grades, she only gave us one class period to work on it, and it is not "the boyfriend"'s fault.
I honestly forgot she assigned it. I've already brought it up to a 75.
And the teacher doesn't give extra credit...
rawr
Jessica   Sunday, November 23, 2008
justmeg
32) Ahhh - but good that you brought it up to a 75 - that's what?? a D???? Now get it to a C and you might get to have Christmas - LOL
justmeg   Sunday, November 23, 2008
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